Re : Commercialbank Grand Prix Of Qatar 12/04/2009
 

Milles excuses m'sieur Xleu, mais quand j'ai lu : " je rappelle que l'électronique Ducati est la même sur la Desmocedici que pour le 1198R, développée par Magneti Marelli comme sur les Yamaha M1 et R1." j'ai compris comme = identique, d'où mon interprétation :ange:

Pour le fait de débrancher l'électronique, préférence de pilotes ou pas , je ne vois pas quel est le bénéfice d'une moto qui part en weely au gaz losqu'elle ne patine pas, (juste pour parler de ce paramaètre), et si c'est mieux, pourquoi ne gardent ils pas la configuration de la qualif en course ? j'insiste c'est vrai, mais cela me semble important à comprendre...:boutons:

Re : Commercialbank Grand Prix Of Qatar 12/04/2009
 

RACE REPORT13/04/2009Fiat Yamaha pair open account with double podium in Qatarhttp://www.forum-motogp.com/forum/ci...9-9086a3a7bb95
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Valentino Rossi and Jorge Lorenzo put in a strong opening showing for the Fiat Yamaha Team tonight, finishing second and third under the Qatar floodlights after the race was delayed 24 hours following last night's heavy rain. Tech 3 Yamaha rider Colin Edwards brought his M1 home in fourth, making it three Yamaha's in the top four, with Casey Stoner taking the race win.

Starting from second on the grid, Rossi lost some ground at the start and was passed by Loris Capirossi and then Lorenzo. He had passed his team-mate back by the end of the first lap and on lap three he despatched Capirossi, but by that time Stoner was already some three seconds clear. The world champion set off in pursuit and after ten laps had closed the gap to less than two seconds, but the wear and tear from pushing so hard on his Bridgestone tyres was beginning to tell and he wisely chose to settle for the safe option and twenty points, crossing the line 7.771 seconds adrift.

His team-mate Lorenzo, who finished second here last year in what was his first MotoGP race, rode a spirited race from the third grid spot. He slipped down to sixth at one point but found his rhythm and fought back to pass Edwards, Capirossi and eventually Dovizioso to take the final podium spot, a further eight seconds behind Rossi.

Round two of the MotoGP World Championship takes place at Motegi in Japan in just under two weeks time.

Valentino Rossi - Position: 2ndTime: +7.771
"So I think it's definitely more fun to race on a Monday than test, like last year! Today the conditions of the track were quite different to before and this evening in warm-up we encountered a couple of small problems related to tyres, so our strategy had to change slightly tonight. It's a pity because I think last night we could have put up more of a fight, but anyway this is a good result to start the season, much better than last year. I knew I needed a good start in order to go with Stoner but unfortunately I didn't get one and I lost some time fighting with Lorenzo and Capirossi and by then Stoner had already gone! The middle part of the race was great fun and I made six or seven good laps to come much closer, but I knew I wouldn't be able to continue in that rhythm, it was too risky for the tyres and I decided it was more important to take the 20 points. Casey was very strong today but he is always fast here and I believe that our potential is very good; I think that we can be back fighting again in Motegi. I am so glad we could race today after yesterday and I am satisfied to be leaving here having made a good start to the season - it is long!"

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Jorge Lorenzo - Position: 3rdTime: +16.244
"I am so happy to be on the podium tonight, I really enjoyed some parts of the race when I made some good overtakes and felt confident enough to take some risks. The grip of the track was better tonight but my rear tyre was moving from the start, so this is something we need to address and improve. Apart from the result and the points it is clear we have some work to do because our pace tonight was too far off Rossi and especially Stoner. The gap is too big! After yesterday's crazy weather I am really happy we could race, it was very important for everyone and now we have got the season underway with a good result, my aim is to be much closer to the leaders in Motegi."

Edwards claims brilliant fourth in floodlit Qatar opener

The Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Team finally ended an eventful Qatar MotoGP weekend with Colin Edwards riding to a brilliant fourth place finish in tonight's rescheduled opening race.

The race was run nearly 24 hours late after the opening round of the 2009 world championship was postponed because of a freak desert storm last night. Tonight's race went ahead over the scheduled 22-lap distance after Losail International Circuit staff spent the day using specialist vehicles to clear dust and sand off the surface.

Edwards produced one of the best performances of the race in which he was able to showcase his overtaking skills. His stunning surge from ninth on lap one culminated with a pass by Andrea Dovizioso for fourth on lap 14 to ensure Yamaha claimed three of the top four places.
British rider James Toseland looked well set for a top ten challenge as he shadowed Randy de Puniet and Mika Kallio in the early stages. But just as he closed in for an attack, he ran off into the gravel trap at the final corner on lap seven after a tangle with Toni Elias. He got back on track and finished just outside the points in 16th position.

Colin Edwardshttp://www.forum-motogp.com/forum/ci...d-51b9855603f5
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Colin Edwards 4th - 13pts
"That was a good start to the season after I made a rubbish start to the race. I thought I'd got a good start but the next thing I know is everybody flying by me. I was way down and it cost me the chance to fight for the podium really. I'm not saying I could have run with Jorge (Lorenzo) because he was riding really well, but it would have been nice to give myself a shot. The track conditions were good considering the rain we had last night and I just concentrated on being smooth and not abusing the tyre too much and it paid off because when I caught (Andrea) Dovizioso I could see he was having some issues. By the time I passed him for fourth, Jorge was long gone and it was going to take a massive mistake from him for me to get close to Jorge but I kept pushing. I'd like to think I could have kept the pace with Jorge if I'd got a good start, but it's easy to say that after the race. The grip from Bridgestone was really good and I'm glad we all stayed and raced. I just want to say thanks to all my guys at Monster Yamaha Tech 3. It has been a long and difficult weekend but we have all pulled together, stayed strong and focused and come out with a good result, so I'm looking forward to another good race in Japan next time out.

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James Toselandhttp://images.yamaha-racing.com/phot...4092931937.jpgJames Toseland 16th - 0pts
"It has been a difficult weekend to say the least and I know we have got a long way to catch up. This race was almost like a test for me, and like in testing, I didn't have a lot of luck out there. I felt like I could fight for the top ten but Toni Elias came up the inside of me at the final corner as I was closing on Randy de Puniet and Mika Kallio. He touched me and I went off into the gravel and that left me out of the points unfortunately. We tried a different front-end setting for the race to try and solve some stability issues I've been having, and there is plenty of room for improvement. I just need time on the bike and a bit of luck to go my way. My guys have put in a lot of effort this weekend and I'm confident I can get a good result in Japan for the Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Team."

Re : Commercialbank Grand Prix Of Qatar 12/04/2009
 

Dovizioso a fait un whelly impressionnant ce we, conclusion ?

Je me suis mal exprimé (cela dit je reprenais les termes de Guy Coulon) j'ai dit " quasiment déconnecté", il serait peut-être plus approprié de dire réduit au maximum, ou fortement réduit, ensuite entre les essais ou l'on peut détruire le pneu et consommer sans compter et une course ou il faut être le plus rapide/constant/efficace sur ~20 tours, l'augmentation de l'effet électronique semble ce justifier.

J'essairais d'obtenir le %tage de l'effet électronique si celui-ci est réellement quantifiable.

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+1!

il faut voir plus de courses. Doha est le "jardin" :D de Stoner. C'est comme si on faisait des conjectures avec Mugello en première course.

Re : Commercialbank Grand Prix Of Qatar 12/04/2009
 

J'ai rien trouvé sur Mélandri (interview, photo de la course).

Re : Commercialbank Grand Prix Of Qatar 12/04/2009
 

moi non plus. y'a même pas un site Hayate???
hé ben :non:.

je serais curieux de lire ses commentaires sur la course.

Re : Commercialbank Grand Prix Of Qatar 12/04/2009
 

mais il a la même puissance que les autres. :diable:

alors effectivement j'aimerai voir plus de bagarre. mais bon on verra déjà à Motegi. :)

Re : Commercialbank Grand Prix Of Qatar 12/04/2009
 

J'ai revu la course en faisant bien attention.... (L'antipatinage s'entend super bien autant de loin qu'en caméra embarqué.)

J'ai remarqué que Stoner était celui qui se servait le moins de l'antipatinage, avec quelques très rares et courts déclenchements par-ci par là en sortie de courbe.
Rossi et Lorenzo s'en servent légèrement plus (tout du moins au qatar) dans la réacceleration du grand gauche par exemple mais ça reste l'affaire de quelques minuscules secondes sur un tour.

Par contre derrière, sa déclenche plus souvent, Gibernau en caméra embarqué par exemple déclenche l'antipatinage pendant une bonne demi-seconde sur le 5ème virage du circuit. D'ailleurs sa moto se met à bouger dans tous les sens quant l'antipatinage s'arrête.

Donc, pour quantifié je pense que l'antipatinage est utilisé très rarement pendant la course, surtout par les meilleurs(Stoner doit l'utilisé au max 2 secondes par tour et encore, pas tous les tours).
Apparament mieux une moto est réglé moins l'electronique est présente. Ce qui est logique et vrai pour tous les sports mécaniques, pas seulement en moto.

L'assistance electronique porte bien son nom, elle aide le pilote dans des secteurs ou il n'a pas trouvé la solution à des problèmes de grip.
L'assistance aide à gérer les gaz pendant un instant donné, mais elle fait perdre du temps si on la compare au nec plus ultra = l'anticipation de l'homme et son feeling.

Après des réglages particuliers peuvent être demandé, je pense à Pedrosa qui aime bien piloté sous assistance, Ce sont des exceptions je pense.

Je connaissais le bruit de l'antipatinage, mais j'y prétais pas forcément une grande attention. Maintenant durant les essais ou en course, je tendrais un peu plus l'oreille.:)

Re : Commercialbank Grand Prix Of Qatar 12/04/2009
 

est ce que vous pouvez décrire le bruit de l'antipatinage car j'aimerais bien l'entendre et y prêter attention pendant les courses?

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Je pense qu'il y a confusion quelque part. La Ducati a un bon moteur , certes, mais sa force N°1 est l'électronique. Stoner arrive à faire des miracles avec cette machine, justement parce que il est le seul à corectement faire régler son électronique, puis à lui faire confiance à 100%. Ce n'est pas moi qui l'invente, on a pu le lire un peu partout de la part de plusieurs intervenat que ce soit des pilotes, Stoner lui même, ingénieurs et autres manager.